Host = radio host interviewer
Prof = professor of earth and atmospheric sciences interviewee
Interview
Host: Introduction of professor etc.
Prof: Thanks for inviting me etc.
I don’t just teach my student facts. I teach them how we arrive at such facts. How do we know, let’s say, the Earth is 4.6 billion years old. How do we know how big the earth is. And things like this, you know. Not just transmit facts and write down this is this, this is that, regurgitate it in an exam, but how do we actually find out about these things.
Imagine a square: this is the square of irrational thought. In the middle of the square, it says bullshit: it is a less than polite way of saying here is an irrational thought, something you can not really substantiate with rational thinking. Well, how do people come up with bullshit?
There are 4 types of people. They are:
Stupid: plainly, they just don’t have the brainpower to formulate a rational thought. More or less hardwired. Nothing you can do about it.
Naive: by long shot the largest of these four groups. They are not necessarily stupid. They just don’t have the necessary information or experience to make a rational conclusion about a certain phenomenon. And this is gradational, you could be a smart person, and very literate about a certain subject, let’s say nuclear physics, but you could be very naive about medieval architecture.
Naivety and stupidity are somewhat related, in that naive people are not necessarily stupid, but all stupid people are necessarily naive.
Liars: these are people who know better but are liars. They just sell something that is monstrously wrong, either for political gain or monetary gain. There are a whole bunch of people like this, who for example sell water dousing, little pendulums, or a few days ago, there was woman in the Edmonton journal who somehow changes the energy of a room with a little bell and the room is better. I don’t know if she is stupid or if she’s lying, but she certainly makes a lot of money off of it.
Delusional: if you wish, they are really mentally ill. There is something wrong in the chemistry in their brain. And it could be fixed, you know, either with counselling, or with drugs, or with education, or with any mixture thereof.

You really could break it down to these four types of people, with a little bit of overlap.
When we are talking something about, you mentioned ‘Hollow Earth Theory’, you know, when somebody says the earth is hollow. Ask yourself: is he stupid? Is he naive? Is he a liar? Or is he deluded? Then you get to the core of it.
And this is how I start my classes. Be sceptical. Query everything that I tell you. Students are naive for the most part. They are not stupid. Oh no, most of my students are quite smart people. But they are naive. They need information. They need a bit of impetus. And they come to the rational conclusions at the end of the semester or a little bit later.
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